Ennea said

TBH this shouldn't even be debatable. Some Vocaloid songs are included in anime and games, those are fine since they are part of the actual game - but as a standalone it's just a song like any song ever. What does it even have to do with gametabs in this case, it's like saying "there were popsongs in ff x-2, so can't we just tab any popsong and post them here?"

The answer is obviously no.

Not saying it should be that strict (like bhaels lord of the rings tabs) but at least as a general guideline.

TBH this shouldn't even be debatable.

So we are being honest here.Let me be extremely frank with you,it is debatable.If it is not,i wont bring it up in the first place.

Some Vocaloid songs are included in anime and games, those are fine since they are part of the actual game - but as a standalone it's just a song like any song ever.

True but since when anime songs are part of the actual game.It is not even a game,its just a tv show.As a standalone,this i also agree with you but isnt it also apply to anime songs that are present in the opening and ending sequence for most anime.

What does it even have to do with gametabs in this case, it's like saying "there were popsongs in ff x-2, so can't we just tab any popsong and post them here?"

Main question,what does anime and visual novels got anything to do with gametabs.So,we can tab any song that is not pop related and post it in this site,is that what you are trying to say.Okay,i know what are trying to say that gametabs is gametabs not vocaloidtabs or nihontabs.I understand gametabs.net exists for storing tabs that are for video games but as time passes,tabs other than video games started to get included in this site.The main reason i brought this one up because there are anime tabs included in this site which as you all know by now is not categorized under video game,which also includes j pop, j rock and whatnot.If there arent any tabs in here that are not video game related,hell, then like ennea said this matter is totally not debatable.But since this site do include tabs that are not video game related,this case is still open for debate unless the admin steps in and say NO.And i am fine with that.

The answer is obviously no.

I wont say that if i were you.

Not saying it should be that strict (like bhaels lord of the rings tabs) but at least as a general guideline.

See.I said so.You just contradict your previous argument with this statement.What you are saying is we should let some pass and some dont.Then,who decide it.Its like saying if some members post enough x number of tabs,then he/she entitled to post x number of tabs that are not video game related.The general guideline which you all probably would have known is VIDEO GAME TABS ONLY others buzz off.

auriplane said

I agree. Let's keep it to games and anime (with the occasional exception for established community members, I guess).

With her usual polite and well-thought comment, just save some of Ennea's crumbling argument and what do you mean by 'with the occasional exception for established community members, I guess'.Who are these established community members and what decides who is a established community member first and foremost of all.Since you are guessing means that you dont have the definite answer.In the end i feel that we are practicing double standard when reviewing a member's tab.Is it right to do so?

Kiku said

While we're at it, what's the consensus on rhythm games like Bemani and DJMAX? I'm assuming it's fine since we have Rhythm Heaven Fever tabs, but what about the games where the music is predominantly vocal pop songs?

Actually,i also have this question before so thanks kiku for bringing this up.What i wanted to know is should we discriminate music based on its genre?As far as i could tell,music know no boundaries.As long it is from a video game, i think its fine to post it in this site no matter what type of music present in the game.

I don't know if we have a consensus, but here's my opinion: licensed songs in music games aren't really game music. Otherwise, you could do any song in Guitar Hero, which wouldn't be in keeping with the spirit of the site at all. On the other hand, original music in Bemani games counts, although for some reason, no one seems interested in tabbing it.

What do I mean by exceptions for established community members? Well, we've posted KiRite arrangements, even though those aren't from any game or anime. I'd like to keep the exceptions to a minimum, though. If you want to share something that's off-topic, like Bhael's arrangement of Concerning Hobbits, you can create a forum thread to do so.

I'm willing to listen to people's opinions, but ultimately it's up to the discretion of whoever approves the tabs--in many cases HSL, and sometimes me. Personally, I don't plan to post anything I don't feel is in keeping with the spirit of the site, so if people try to find loopholes or argue technicalities, don't expect me to be convinced. I simply don't care.

Most of the music in Bemani games are originally created for the game itself. While it does have tracks from other konami games and licensed pop songs I don't think it's anywhere comparable to guitar hero.

worldeditor11 said

See.I said so.You just contradict your previous argument with this statement.What you are saying is we should let some pass and some dont.Then,who decide it.Its like saying if some members post enough x number of tabs,then he/she entitled to post x number of tabs that are not video game related.The general guideline which you all probably would have known is VIDEO GAME TABS ONLY others buzz off.

Lol. Keep in mind that english isn't everyones native language. We can try to argue in german than I might be able to make my point clearer.

But you even said it yourself, it shouldn't be vocaloidtabs or nihontabs, the gap between those two and gametabs is just huge and at least for me absolutely incomprehensible.

Guten tag.

This problem has been already discussed a lot of time.

In theory, gametabs only accept tabs from game music. I think the point 3 of the following link explains well enough what it means: http://ocremix.org/info/Submission_Standards_and_Instructions

Now if you look on the new tabs page(http://www.gametabs.net/all-tabs), you can see that there's a lot of anime tabs. It goes way further than the "exceptions for established community members".

The time has come to clarify the identity of gametabs, to rebuild its gate and replenish its pride.

Shall we delete and refuse those filthy and unpure tabs from those abjects pedophile shows, once and for all? Or will we accept those tabs, that promise us infinite succes over the dark world of the weaboos?

I call you, people of Gametabs. VOTE

Keep it the way it is. Vocaloid sucks :<

worldeditor11 said

Guten tag.

Servus.

Well Vocaloid songs are amazing and I was quite surprised when I read that, on a site like this, some people can't stand them. But Vocaloid is neither game nor anime, so it would have to have a seperate category or something. And that's just diluting the uniqueness of this site.

personaly, im opposed to every type of loid

Rex. I love you.

Some interesting points have been raised;

I think change can be a good thing and now is as good a time as any to try and take the steps necessary to grow. This doesn't mean I think it should go mainstream and accept all genres of music under the sun however.

Gamtetabs is defined by it's community which is unique to itself, however peoples interests change overtime and I think this site should be able to change with them. If it try's to hard and doesn't change it could loose it's community which defines the site.

The fact there is a category specifically for anime is proof enough, although it's also easy to say that many anime are made into videogames and vice-verse.

auriplane said

I simply don't care.

You heard the lady.

You left out part of my quote. I said I don't care about arguing loopholes or technicalities.

For example, if you wrote a tab for Colors of the Wind from Pocahontas, which has nothing to do with games or anime, then you found out there was a Genesis game based on Pocahontas, and you tried to use that information to submit your tab, I wouldn't approve the submission.

You know, just hypothetically.